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An Interview with Richard Mayer
Interviewed by Cliff Atkinson - original interview at sociablemedia.com

Many people have opinions about PowerPoint, but few can speak
on the topic with the authority of Richard
E. Mayer (pictured to the left), Ph.D., professor of psychology
at the University of California, Santa Barbara. Named the most prolific
researcher in the field of educational psychology, Rich is the author
of 18 books and more than 250 articles and chapters. His 12 years
of research in multimedia learning and problem solving have important
implications for PowerPoint users.

Cliff:
Richard:
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Rich, the past 16 years has seen the rapid and widespread
adoption of PowerPoint in corporations and educational
institutions an estimated 400 million copies now
sit on desktops around the world. What do you make of this "PowerPoint
phenomenon?
The success of PowerPoint depends in part on the fundamental
need of people to communicate with others within the same
community of practice. It is worthwhile to distinguish between
two possible goals in making a PowerPoint presentation information
presentation, in which the goal is to present information
to the audience, and cognitive guidance, in which
the goal is to guide the audience in their processing of
the presented information. When your goal is information
presentation, PowerPoint slides can be full of information
that may be extremely hard to process by the audience. However,
since your goal is simply information presentation, you are
not concerned with whether or not the audience can process
the presented information. When your goal is cognitive guidance,
you want to make sure that the audience members build appropriate
knowledge in their memories. Your job is to communicate in
a way that will have the desired impact on the audience,
so you need to design your slides so they are consistent
with how people learn. In my opinion, many of the examples
of misuses of PowerPoint occur when the slides are designed
to present information rather than to guide cognitive processing.
In short, like any communication mediumincluding books PowerPoint
can be misused as a device for presenting information without
regard for how the audience will process the presented information.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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In your research you define multimedia as "the
presentation of material using both words and pictures. Do
your research findings in multimedia apply to PowerPoint
users as well?
Research on multimedia learning is highly relevant to the
design of PowerPoint presentations. For example, in Multimedia
Learning (Cambridge University Press, 2001), I describe
some research-based principles for the design of multimedia
instructional messages including the following: multimedia
principle, in which people learn better from words and
pictures than from words alone; coherence principle,
in which people learn better when extraneous material is
excluded rather than included; contiguity principle,
in which people learn better when corresponding words and
pictures are presented at the same time or next to each other
on the screen; modality principle, in which people
learn better from animation with spoken text than animation
with printed text; signaling principle, in which people
learn better when the material is organized with clear outlines
and headings; and personalization principle, in which
people learn better from conversational style than formal
style. For example, in designing a PowerPoint slide it is
important to not present an overwhelming amount of information
(i.e., coherence principle) and it is useful to have simple
graphics to supplement words (i.e., multimedia principle).
Finally, it is important to note that good design principles
for inexperienced learners might not be the same as for experienced
learners.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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If an organization were interested in the impact of PowerPoint on their
organization and wanted to review any research that has been conducted
specifically on PowerPoint in any dimension, where would you recommend
they go?
Although there is not yet a rich literature containing high
quality research on PowerPoint, there already is an extensive
literature on how to design paper-based instructional messages.
It is worthwhile to make a distinction between media and
methods. Media refer to the delivery systems for communication
such as books, computer screens, or PowerPoint presentations.
Methods refer to the instructional methods used to help people
learn, such as the coherence principle or personalization
principle summarized in my previous answer. Research on instructional
design has shown that the presentation medium does not create
learning, but the presentation method does affect learning.
Thus, PowerPoint does not create learning but the method
you use for presenting information on PowerPoint does affect
learning. For this reason, instructional methods that work
with paper or e-learning are likely to also work with PowerPoint.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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PowerPoint seems like it would be a difficult research
topic because of the endless variables in any single presentation
context. How have you addressed similar research problems
in research on multimedia?
It is worthwhile to distinguish between a technology-centered
approach and a learner-centered approach to the use of educational
technologies including PowerPoint. In a technology-centered
approach, the focus is on the capabilities of cutting edge
technology. Thus, we would be interested in the effects of
each of the many features of PowerPoint. In a learner-centered
approach, the focus is on the way that people learn and process
information. Thus, we would be interested in finding ways
to use the features of PowerPoint to support people's natural
ways of learning, that is, as aids to human learning. In
my opinion, the learner-centered approach is more productive.
For this reason, I would guide my study of PowerPoint by
looking at features that might prime useful cognitive processing
in the audience.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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The use of bullet points in PowerPoint presentations has been widely
criticized. Based on your research, what effect does on-screen text
have on learning?
Bullets don't kill learning, but improper use of bullets
kills learning. In order to create effective PowerPoint presentations,
it is important to understand how people learn. In particular,
cognitive scientists have discovered three important features
of the human information processing system that are particularly
relevant for PowerPoint users: dual-channels, that
is, people have separate information processing channels
for visual material and verbal material; limited capacity,
that is, people can pay attention to only a few pieces of
information in each channel at a time; and active processing,
that is, people understand the presented material when they
pay attention to the relevant material, organize it into
a coherent mental structure, and integrate it with their
prior knowledge. The implications are that: 1) PowerPoint
presentations should use both visual and verbal forms of
presentation, 2) filling the slides with information will
easily overload people's cognitive systems, and 3) the presentations
should help learners to select, organize, and integrate presented
information.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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As a researcher, how would you assess Edward Tufte's
analysis of PowerPoint, and how does his monograph "The
Cognitive Style of PowerPoint relate to the body
of scientific research on multimedia and related topics?
Edward Tufte has done much to draw attention to the design
of effective graphics. However, I am not sure what is meant
by the assertion that "PowerPoint is rarely a good method." If
this statement means that PowerPoint is often misused, I
wholeheartedly agree. However, I do not think it makes sense
to refer to PowerPoint as a method. Instead, based on the
distinction I made in a previous answer, PowerPoint is a
medium that can be used effectively that is, with
effective design methods or ineffectively, that is
with ineffective design methods. We would not necessarily
say that books are rarely a good method, because books can
be designed using effective or ineffective methods. In my
opinion, the same principle applies to PowerPoint.
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Cliff:
Richard:
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In Multimedia Learning, you wrote "...if you designed a technologically
sophisticated, aesthetically-pleasing, information-rich presentation,
you would have failed to take into account an important human criterion:
Is the presentation designed to be compatible with the way that people
learn from words and pictures? Based on your research, what are
the characteristics of a PowerPoint that is compatible with the way people
learn from words and pictures?
In a previous answer, I described three cognitive characteristics
of how people learn, which lead to three questions for the
design of effective PowerPoint presentations:
First, does the presentation take advantage of the dual-channel
structure of the human information processing system, by
presenting complementary material in words and pictures?
In presenting a graph, for example, it is useful to have
labels on the slide pointing out the main points.
Second, does the presentation take into consideration the
limited capacity of the information processing channels,
by minimizing the chances of overloading the cognitive system?
In a recent paper, "Nine Ways to Reduce Cognitive Load
in Multimedia Learning" (published in the Educational
Psychologist), I suggest techniques such as eliminating
extraneous material. Thus, a bar graph should not be presented
with three-dimensional bars and lots of cute, but irrelevant,
clip art.
Third, does the presentation promote active cognitive processing
by guiding the processes of selecting, organizing, and integrating
information? For example, arrows can help highlight the main
things that the audience should attend to, an outline can
help people organize the material, and concrete examples perhaps
as video clips can help people relate abstract concepts
to their concrete experience.
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All responses by Rich Mayer are © 2004 Richard E. Mayer


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